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    July 10, 2008

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    Meg

    Well done!

    (whistles and claps vigorously)

    A Clear Blue Sky

    Nice response! The only question I have is what is supposed to be the special function of American cultural life in Paris. Isn't it just the point of going to a different place to be in another culture, instead of looking to establish yours in a place away from home (sounds almost colonial), and isn't the beauty of expatriate-networks just in the fact that in a place away from home, you get to know and learn of others, or widening your view on the world?
    So I have a hard time understanding why the lack of American cultural life everywhere outside America is really a concern. I think it should be a benefit, as the lack of Ducth cultural life in Paris, is for me a benefit of being here. Just as a reminder to Mr Dinaw: this is not America...

    amy

    I kind of agree with Clear Blue Sky -- part of what makes the expat crowd in Paris fun is that it's an *international* crowd, not merely American. If I want to hang out with Americans, I'll stay home.

    Dinaw

    Dear Lauren-

    I’m sorry to hear as well that your feathers got so ruffled. To be honest, I didn’t even know you had feathers (nature can be cruel sometimes), or I would have tried my hardest to make sure that they stayed soft, smooth, and downy, as I imagine you like them. I’d also like to promise you that the next time I write something for the Lifestyle section of any newspaper in the world, that it will contain the sort of hard-hitting reporting that you clearly expect. I’m currently considering proposing a second, non-puff piece essay—this one on the making of foie gras, as told exclusively through the goose’s perspective.

    Also I’m sure many people will be shocked as I am to hear that following World War II people suffered such insane depravity as lacking heat in their apartments, and that people actually argued with one another. My heart breaks to hear this. I had read many accounts of post-war shortages, but to be honest, I had thought that they were all just a joke, or some sort of communist propaganda inserted into my history books. (You know until now I thought the Marshall Plan was the name of a jazz ensemble that traveled through Europe.) I plan on writing a follow up essay titled, “Post-war France: Why They Really Hung Out at the Cafes,” or maybe “Post-War France: Not So Friendly After All.” You’re right: people deserve to know the truth.

    As for this 13e that you speak of, I have to say I’m a bit skeptical. I’ve looked in my super-special tourist guidebook to Paris and where there should be a spot for the 13e, there is only a big black space and a note that says, “There is nothing here for you to see.” Those of us living in St. Germain are required to have special permits to cross the river, and as you can imagine, they are difficult to come across with all that bureaucracy so I’ve never had a chance to investigate this place myself. I tried once but was kindly escorted back home by the police. Perhaps I can understand now why. You say that a friend of yours owns a coffee shop there? My god! I can only assume again that this is part of some vast conspiracy to keep me away from the bright cultural figures that you associate with. The next thing you know you’ll be telling me that there also writers and artists hanging around there. Clearly their voices need to be heard, and people should be made aware of their existence as soon as possible. I propose to a write a follow-up essay, this one titled “Hanging Out With People You May or May Not Have Ever Heard of at a Café in Paris.”

    I imagine though that history will rectify all of this, and that in later years there will be entire literary courses dedicated to the life you speak of, and that generations of students will be pouring through the pages of your blog, thinking to themselves, “If only I had been there. I would have had a café/blog as well.”

    And p.s. Thank you very much for your definition of words that I’d never heard of, especially the really difficult ones, like myth and reification. I plan on hopefully using them in a sentence someday.

    maitresse

    Dinaw, thanks for taking my recommendations so seriously. If you think you need to cross the river to get to the 13th from St Germain, you need more help than I can give.

    I guess you and I won't be sitting down over a cup of coffee in a cafe some day!

    PS Your snobbery is breathtaking.

    David

    Actual "laughing out loud"...
    I finally read the article in the Wall Street Journal and then the comment here...

    This Dinaw guy is really a clown...
    Thanks for making me laugh so hard on this tough dissertation-writing day... (I know I should actually be writing instead of procrastinating)

    A Clear Blue Sky

    Oh wow, I am within shouting range of two writers arguing in a public place. Don't you just love being in Paris? It's just like back in those days...

    Dinaw

    I'm sorry but any chance of taking this seriously stopped sometime after I read the words, "still, I must speak it up," and was all but dead and buried by the time you assured us that your "manifesto" was not a call for a moratorium, as if a collective sigh was to be breathed by editors all around the country. You're free to think and write whatever you want about me, my essay, but my god, to take this tone of "I know what should be published," is a bit more hubris and arrogance than I can bear.

    As for my breathtaking snobbery--strange being called a snob by someone who writes as if their audience was comprised of six-year olds in need of a history lesson.

    And yes, you don't cross the river to get to the 13th, but you do to get to Pere Lachaise and Belleville, which you also refer to, and so with that in mind, I'd be happy to have that coffee anytime.

    Curious

    Doesn't commenting on a blog post about your work in a defensive manner, and then commenting again several hours later, constitute taking it seriously? If it didn't matter to you Dinaw, why bother?

    Freud

    Dinaw, your narcissism is astounding. Maybe some years in analysis will help you to understand the underlying dynamics of your defenses, but I can sum up for you briefly and succinctly... you're an empty shell. She cracked you.

    maitresse

    ok, let's keep the character attacks out of this, shall we? My quarrel is with a certain way of seeing and writing about Paris-- not with Dinaw himself. Any writer in his position would be offended and respond accordingly.

    Alice

    Very strong response and analysis here, Lauren. Again, I've been living outside the actual Paris circle for awhile myself, but I try to participate in as much activity in the city whenever I can! We all need our literary and cultural outlets, but I think I settled into this country for what it had to offer to me, and certainly not what American elements I could find here. Sure, we all seek out fellow expats in order to share things together, but I agree that the most enriching experiences have been with a mixed, international crowd.

    As an aside, I finally made it out to l'OisiveThé this past Wednesday, and had an excellent lunch with some fellow expats. Aimée is doing a great job with the salon de thé! (Words, in fact, don't do it justice...) So glad you mentioned her and her café here!

    clare

    hello -

    i would like to comment that i am glad the WSJ wrote that article, not because it is true but because it will leave the best paris for us who love the REAL thing instead of loving a stale stereotype.

    i love paris and if poseurs don't want to come then that means there is more room for me and other authentic people!

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